Friday 17 April 2015

Random Answers from Ria's thread #2

2) "Adam and Eve had three kids, them had kids, say no more ..."

Actually, Genesis mentions by name three of Adam and Eve's children (Cain, Abel and Seth) because they are the key people in the story. However, in Genesis 5:4 we are told that Adam and Eve "had other sons and daughters". So I'm afraid Chrissie is factually wrong. 

However, I imagine Chrissie is objecting to incest since they refer to it as "F***** up". So how do we answer this?

The truth is, so called "F***** up" things very often are true - that is a fact. This argument at best proves just that, it is "F***** up". Funnily enough, that is exactly what the Bible says man did in Genesis 3 - READ IT!  The argument has no bearing at all on if it is true or not - NONE!

But maybe Chrissie is saying, "But their children would be deformed etc". Two answers to that. 

The chances of some kind of genetic disorder due to incest, are about the same as a 40 year old woman having children. So yes, by current standards, there would naturally be a greater risk. But all this means is that there would have been more deformed people, not that it cannot be true. Our whole world is pretty much "F***** Up" but guess what, it is real!  

But anyway, not all would be deformed. This doesn't prove anything.

The reason incest today leads to genetic disorders is because a brother and a sister share the same DEFECTIVE genes. Two unrelated people will not share the same defective genes (at least not to the same extent) and so the good gene of one cancels out the defective gene of another. 

It is not until the Jewish law is given thousands of years after Adam and Eve that God outlawed incest. It is now a taboo subject. It is deeply and rightly ingrained in our thinking that incest is morally wrong. It is because God has commanded against it. 

Now we are dealing with the Bible so we have to deal with what the Bible actually tells us if it is to be disproven or defended. The Bible tells us that God created man 'GOOD'. That means everything about him was good, which in turn means Adam (and Eve) had no defective genes. The degeneration of genes would take generations. This means that brothers and sisters back then would not have had such defective genes and the risks would be much lower anyway. On that basis, as repulsive as it may sound to us, there would have been no physical dangers. But as the genetic pool of humanity deteriorated to the point of danger, it became plainly wrong to continue, hence, the Mosaic law against it.

Other pointers to the authenticity of Adam and Eve.
As scientists continue their research they have found (not surprisingly) that the human population gets smaller as you go back in time and bottlenecks to a total human population of just 2000 individuals. 

Now I don't want to mislead here. Scientists are not saying that the world population started with just 2000 people. Scientist reckon that the population was bigger, but some disaster meant that only 2000 people survived.

But the important point is this: Scientists do not know if there was such a disaster responsible for that small number. All they actually do know with certainty is that the whole human race is descended from no more than 2000 people! That is what they know! BUT the more scientists learn and the more they discover, the smaller the population pool gets - it is only heading in one direction - towards Adam and Eve!

Think about it, there are about 7 billion people in the world. In 1950 there was about 3 billion! The further back you go, the smaller the number. It keeps halving as you go further back. It doesn't take rocket science to see where it is leading. Here is a non-controversial article on the subject from wiki: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck .  For an academic paper check out academia.com. 

Scientists have discovered that the whole human race shares one common mother - they call her 'Mitochondrial Eve'. That is a fact. 

Scientists have also discovered, the whole human race shares one common father, they call him 'Y-chromosomal Adam. 

You can read about Y-chromosomal Adam and Mitochondrial Eve by clicking the link below. The article makes for interesting reading. Is claims on the one hand that Y-chromosomal Adam was one of many people alive at his time, but also makes it clear, we all descended from him. http://www.nature.com/news/genetic-adam-and-eve-did-not-live-too-far-apart-in-time-1.13478


Points 4 and 5 do not prove the biblical Adam and Eve, but the fact of Mitochondiral Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam, combined with the ever shrinking pool for the origin of the human race makes Adam and Eve increasingly plausible. This is certainly not "comic book" stuff.

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